♪ ED: TIME NOW FOR THE "OTR" SUNDAY ROUNDTABLE. GREAT TO SEE YOU GUYS AS ALWAYS. JANET: GOVERNOR BAKER UNVEILED HIS REOPENING PLAN THIS WEEK. LOTS OF ANGST IT PUBLICLY AND BEHIND THE SCENES BEFORE IT WAS ANNOUNCED. WHICH SIDE WON AND HOW WOULD YOU GREAT IS BALANCING ACT? >> THE FACT IS, NEITHER THE SCIENTIFIC FACT OR PUBLIC OPINION SUPPORT REOPENING IN MASSACHUSETTS RIGHT NOW. ONLY MICHIGAN AND NEW MEXICO HAVE MET THE PRESIDENTIAL REQUIREMENTS TO REOPEN. 68% ARE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR HEALTH AND 28% ARE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR FINANCES. THERE IS NO REAL FACTS HERE TO SUPPORT REOPENING RIGHT NOW. SO THEN, YOU HAVE TO ASK THE QUESTION, IS CHARLIE BAKER -- SOME WILL SAY IT IS TOO MUCH, SOME TWO LITTLE -- -- TOO LITTLE -- IS HE TRYING TO APPEASE? MAYBE PROTESTERS, CHURCHGOERS. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DATA AND FACTS, IT IS HARD TO SAY WHY WE ARE DOING THIS NOW. JANET: I HAVE A FEELING YOU DISAGREE. VIRGINIA: LAST WEEK, I SAID THE GOVERNOR NEEDED TO APPROACH THIS WITH CERTAINTY AND HOPE. HE DID BOTH AND I THINK THAT IS QUITE A BALANCING ACT. HE ALLOWED SOME BUSINESSES TO OPEN, MORE ARE COMING TOMORROW AND MONDAY. AND THEN, HE SAID HERE ARE THE FACES MOVING FORWARD, WHICH OFFERED HOPE. I THINK HE IS AIRING ON THE SIDE OF CAUTION BECAUSE I KNOW MANY RESTAURANT OWNERS ARE UPSET THAT THEY ARE NOT IN THIS FIRST PHASE. I WOULD GIVE HIM IN A. I THINK HE IS DOING EXACTLY WHAT HE NEEDS TO DO. MARY ANNE: BUT WE HAVE LOST 6200 MASSACHUSETTS RESIDENTS IN 60 DAYS. NOW, YOU HAVE TO SAY, WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE DAYS AND WEEKS TO COME? IF THERE IS A SPIKE OR PEOPLE JUST CHOOSE NOT TO PARTICIPATE, THAT IS VERY TELLING. IT IS TOO LATE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE DIED, BUT LET’S HOPE NOT FOR EVERYONE ELSE. ED: THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR HAD HER BIG MOMENT IN THE SPOTLIGHT. SHE HAS BEEN THERE AT EVERY ONE OF THE BRIEFINGS. SHE HEADED THE REOPENING ADVISORY BOARD. HOW DID SHE DO? MARY ANNE: I THOUGHT SHE DID GREAT -- VIRGINIA: I THOUGHT SHE DID GREAT. I WORKED FOR TWO GOVERNORS. SOMETIMES, THOSE BIG THINGS ARE BEHIND THE SCENES. THAT SET HIM UP FOR SUCCESS IMPROVED HIS MERIT IN THE EYES OF THE VOTERS. I THOUGHT SHE DID A GREAT JOB. ED: MORE THAN DOUBLE OF HER BOSS? MARY ANNE: $1.8 MILLION, TO BE PRECISE. SHE IS TRYING TO BE READY AD IT IS NOT CLEAR IF GOVERNOR BAKER IS GOING TO RUN FOR A THIRD TERM. BOTH FOR POLITO AND BAKER, THESE NEXT FEW WEEKS COULD DETERMINE THEIR POLITICAL FUTURES. JANET: LET’S TALK ABOUT THE MBTA. THEY HAVE SAID THAT THEY ARE NOT GOING TO STOP PASSENGERS WHO GET ON WITHOUT A MASK. BUT FOR THOSE WHO DON’T WEAR A MASK, AND THEY ARE BOARDING TRAINS, HOW DO YOU DEFUSE WHAT SURELY ARE GOING TO BE ARGUMENTS AMONG PASSENGERS, IF NOT WITH THE T POLICE. VIRGINIA: I DON’T THINK ANYONE WANTS GANGS OF MASS POLICE OUT THERE TELLING PEOPLE THEY CAN’T GET OUT THERE ON A BUS OR TRAIN. I THINK CITIZENS HAVE TO STEP UP AND SHOW INDIVIDUAL RESPONSIBILITY. SOMETIMES THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO STEP OFF, AS CONGRESSMAN KEATING SAID HE GOT OFF AN ELEVATOR WITH SOMEONE WHO WASN’T WEARING A MASK. IT IS UP TO US TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE IS SAFE. MARY ANNE: I AM GOING TO TAKE JENNY’S IDEA FROM LAST WEEK. IF YOU DON’T HAVE A MASK, DON’T GET ON. WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF A PUBLIC HEALTH PANDEMIC. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO REASON WHY EVERYONE IS NOT WEARING A MASK, ESPECIALLY ON THE T. ED: THE MASSACHUSETTS GOP IS EVEN SADDER TODAY THAN A WEEK AGO. TWO SPECIAL ELECTIONS HAVE LEFT US AND THAT WAS JUST ENOUGH REPUBLICANS FOR A CARD GAME. SHOULD THEY JUST GIVE UP THE GHOST? MARY ANNE: THIS ISN’T EVEN AN UBER SHARE RIGHT INCLUDING THE DRIVER AT THIS POINT. THAT IS ALL THAT IS LEFT TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IN MASSACHUSETTS. YOU HAVE THE BIG TRUMP CHEERLEADER, JIM LYONS LEADING THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IN MASSACHUSETTS GOING FURTHER TO THE RIGHT. YOU CAN SEE THE SQUEEZE THAT BAKER IS IN AND IT IS NOT GOING TO GET ANY BETTER. IF YOU THOUGHT IT WAS BAD NOW, WAIT UNTIL THE NOVEMBER ELECTION WHEN EVERYBODY AND THEIR BROTHER IS TURNING UP. ED: IT IS AMAZING. THERE IS FREQUENTLY A REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR IN THE COMMONWEALTH. VIRGINIA: I WAS GOING TO SAY, WHAT IS NEW SINCE THE FIRST REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR WAS ELECTED IN 20 YEARS. THIS HAS BASICALLY BEEN THE CASE. I THINK VOTERS SEE THAT HAVING AN EXECUTIVE IN CHARGE THAT WORKS WITH THE DEMOCRATIC LEGISLATURE HAS WORKED JUST